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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed.
These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called
"civilizations."
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab
oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the
values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere.
The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born
and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge
and support to her husband.
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice,
paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone.
She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of
the time.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As
this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand
patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her
before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her
charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to
receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between
mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine
nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based
on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and
that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and
aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife
or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine
sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal
dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are not
supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to
be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure,
not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women
and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US
would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong"
pants?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we
finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates: creating
and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this
level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to
remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.
We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely
and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of
perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a
function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If
a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely
to find a permanent mate.
Her long-term personal fulfilment and happiness lies in making marriage and
family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American
women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives
and represents a lethal threat to Islam.
I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it
represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and
family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.
The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere
in the middle.
Henry Makow is the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his
Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto.
http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
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On Aug 19, 9:46 am, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed.
These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called
"civilizations."
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab
oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the
values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere.
The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born
and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge
and support to her husband.
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice,
paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone.
She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of
the time.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As
this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand
patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her
before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her
charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to
receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between
mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine
nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based
on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and
that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and
aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife
or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine
sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal
dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are not
supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to
be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure,
not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women
and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US
would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong"
pants?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we
finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates: creating
and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this
level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to
remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.
We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely
and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of
perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a
function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If
a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely
to find a permanent mate.
Her long-term personal fulfilment and happiness lies in making marriage and
family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American
women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives
and represents a lethal threat to Islam.
I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it
represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and
family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.
The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere
in the middle.
Henry Makow is the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his
Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto.
http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1267-1.aspx
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maybe Henry shoiuld check out some male dance bars in Montreal and
then write about how they belong to everyone and no one..bla bla bla.
You don't see male dancers in Kandahar bla bla bla. tsk tsk.
Excuse me my carriage is waiting.
Of course his being from the "Queen city", Toronto the Good, excuses
him :)
His expertise is in literature, the rest is his opinion of society.
Maybe he should take a little vacation to a muslim country. Enjoy the
scenery watching a stoning or the beheading of two Canadian students
in Saudi Depravia by people in their so very modest clothing.
Such wonderful social values these people have. Barf!!!
Then off to Pakistan and see how wonderfully women are treated by
men. Good thing they have burkas "cause they can hide their
disfigured faces, these women who have had acid thrown in their faces
by sicko husbands. Yeah.. such great values. Have another puff on
that pipe.
"the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"--well for
some people
Keep us up to date on more "I love islamic values" articles c Jeff |
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You're a sick man who can't look at himself and see the pathetic control
freak.
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing
but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed.
These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called
"civilizations."
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab
oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of
their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the
values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere.
The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are
born
and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the
spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge
and support to her husband.
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked
in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice,
paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone.
She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of
the time.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As
this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with
appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be
loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand
patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her
before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her
charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit
to
receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between
mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine
nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based
on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression"
and
that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused
and
aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife
or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine
sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal
dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are
not
supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant
to
be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical
pleasure,
not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women
and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the
US
would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong"
pants?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we
finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates:
creating
and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this
level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to
remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.
We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain
lonely
and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state
of
perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a
function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal.
If
a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not
likely
to find a permanent mate.
Her long-term personal fulfilment and happiness lies in making marriage
and
family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American
women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives
and represents a lethal threat to Islam.
I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it
represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and
family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.
The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere
in the middle.
Henry Makow is the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his
Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto.
http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1267-1.aspx
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka |
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On Aug 19, 4:27 pm, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"<1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote in message
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing
but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed.
These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called
"civilizations."
They most certainly do.
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture.
So is the rule of law, and the basic personal freedoms those laws either
protect or destroy.
Apart from stealing Arab
oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of
their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
No one has "stolen" a drop of "Arab oil" (which, btw, others found for them,
drilled for them, and handed to them so that a few of them could be
obscenely rich while all others could effectively remain in the 9th
century).
And the clash is about exchanging a few other items besides just the burka
and the bikini. It's about exchanging legally mandated ignorance for a real
chance at education. It's about exchanging the notion that a man can commit
an "honor killing", for the notion that murder is murder. It's about
exchanging a society based on the religious value that says kill all your
enemies to one based on do good to your enemies, and, as much as is
possible, live in peace with *all* men. It's about exchanging a 9th century
society ruled by political tyrants when you're lucky, and religious leaders
who supposedly get their marching order direct from Allah, when you're not
so lucky, for a 21 society based around the inalienable rights of human
beings to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And let's not forget. It's about maintaining a sancturary in the world
where the millions of Muslims who can, flee from their own culture to take
advantage of others, who, given the choice of living in proverty in Iran, or
Iraq, or anywhere else in the Middle East where sharia law is the law of the
land to one extent or another, make the choice to live in poverty in France,
or America, or England, and do so in droves! These people are voting with
their feet and their lives.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the
values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
That would be fine if this "representation" were her choice, but the Mulsim
16 year old who was gang raped by several Muslim men and then stoned to
death for wearing jeans probably didn't feel as you do about this
"representation", and what happened to her was a lesson for every woman.
Makes is much easier for them to freely choose to wear the burka as a symbol
of their dedication to their family.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere.
As does stoning woman who simply show their faces in public, or who are
caught clandestinely learning to read, or who drive a car. Nothing like a
mob killing to reinforce basic values, right?
The Muslim woman's focus is her home...
where very early in life she is subjected to sexual mutilation so that she
can never enjoy God's gift of sexual intercourse between a husband and wife,
and then often given to one of her father's friends or business associates
in her *pre-teens*, to be used by him in *any* way he sees fit.
the "nest" where her children are born
and reared.
LOL! If they were *her* children, she would have something to say about
them, which, of course, she does not, not having anything to say about
anything in that culture. Her husband can *kill* on or them, even *kill*
her, and she simply has no recourse.
She is the "home" maker,
This is what liberal nut jobs like this guy say when they mean "domestic
slave".
the taproot that sustains the spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge
and support to her husband.
As the man said, he is certainly no expert on Muslim women. A Muslim woman
provides her husband with sex, children, and a servant to clean and cook for
him, and take care of his children's everyday needs. She does not sustain
the "spiritual life" of the family; she isn't even allowed to pray publicly
with her family, but must do so from a nearby balcony or from behind a glass
partition at the mosque! She can provide no "refuge", for she is utterly
powerless and without human rights in this 9th century society. A Hereford
cow, mooing in the living room, could as well be said to provide for the
family a "refuge" and sustain their spiritual life.
This man is a buffoon. He romanticizes a society that would punish him for
his education and the freedoms he enjoys, and is critical of the society
that is the only thing protecting him from this scourge in human history
that denies all human rights to women and children. The irony here is that
were this 9th century throwback to win this clash of cultures, liberal
thinkers like this loon would be the first to be beheaded!
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked
in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice,
paradoxically, she is public property.
But she is whatever she is BY HER OWN CHOICE! She has basic human rights,
and a culture that reveres and protects her rights to do with her life what
SHE wants to do. If she wants to display her body in public, have it judged
for "beauty" by a panel of strangers, and viewed on TV by millions, she has
that right. If she wants to never let anyone but her husband see her body,
she likewise has that right. But whatever she decides, she does it without
fear or coercion. She isn't being ruled by a thousand year tradition of do
it or die.
She belongs to no one and everyone.
She belongs to herself, not no one, and not everyone.
She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of
the time.
Yes, she is, but in this auction the worst that can happen is rejection; is
taking third in the contest, or not making the finals. In the Muslim world
when a woman doesn't measure up, she can be killed.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As
this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with
appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
Ye gods, this man is a moron for someone with a PhD! He not only doesn't
know anything about Muslim women; he doesn't seem to know much about
American women either!
There is no "cultural measure" of an American woman, and "success" in life
here is measured subjectively, BY THE WOMAN in question. Sure, women here
want to be attractive to the opposite sex. So do men. So do women the
world over. So do men the world over. So what?
This is typical liberal argumentation. Make a specific point about a
specific culture using a universal truth about all cultures.
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be
loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand
patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her
before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her
charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit
to
receive her husband's seed.
Again, the typical argument from the exception to the rule. This doesn't
describe the "average" American woman; not even close. It simply ignores
the norm in America to make its argument via the fringe; the vast minority
of American women. "Unfit to receive her husband's seed"? Are you kidding
me?
The vast majority of American married woman do just what this author says
Muslim women do for their families and husbands, except here it's THEIR
CHOICE; here it's not a choice between do it or die by stoning, or
beheading. Here, when you see her busily sustaining the spiritual needs of
her family, doing what she can to provide a refuge away from the world for
her husband, and nurturing and training up her children, there is a prima
facia reason to think she's doing all of these things because she WANTS to
do them; because she had a plethora of other choices presented to her as a
young woman, and she chose this one.
Our liberal, looney author is romanticizing the rat in the tunnel and
denigrating the rat in the maze. He sounds to me like he's make a great
little patriarch, don't you think?
Anyway, I can't read anymore of this tripe. This sort of ingrate propaganda
just turns my stomach!
I suggest "Dr." Makow go snag himself a nice Muslim teenager, suitably
mulitated, of course, and drag her kicking and screaming back to the Middle
East so he can stop all this carping, and start enjoying life as the 9th
century patriarch he so obviously longs to be.
Chuck Stamford
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Basically I agree with you, however to refer to the guy as 'liberal'
is very strange. . In fact quite the contrary, the guy is ultra-
conservative hoping to turn the clock back centuries. Liberal and
liberal values equate liberty liberation all stemming from the same
root. *freedom*
I know there are people in the USA for whom liberal is a swear word
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Seen in passing.
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing
nothing but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally
exposed. These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of
so-called "civilizations."
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from
stealing Arab oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about
stripping Arabs of their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love
feminine beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am
defending some of the values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband
and family. Only they see her.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic
sphere. The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her
children
are born
and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the
spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing
refuge and support to her husband.
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically
naked in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In
practice, paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no
one and everyone. She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is
auctioning herself all of the time.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex
appeal. (As this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically
obsessed with appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose
act approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she
will be loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to
demand patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males
know her before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is
a part of her charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to
love, she is unfit to
receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship
between mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and
self-sacrifice. Masculine nature is founded on the relationship
between hunter and prey. It is based on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in
"oppression" and
that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a
confused and
aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become
a wife or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO:
undermine sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and
personal dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new
world," women are not
supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are
meant to
be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical
pleasure,
not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian
women and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He
implied that the US
would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise
"see-my-thong" pants?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage
when we finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's
surrogates: creating
and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to
reach this level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for
marriage. We are to remain stunted: single, sex-starved and
self-obsessed. We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life.
We are to remain
lonely
and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a
state of
perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a
function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex
appeal. If
a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not
likely
to find a permanent mate.
Her long-term personal fulfilment and happiness lies in making
marriage and
family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched
American women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined
millions of lives and represents a lethal threat to Islam.
I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it
represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future
husband and family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.
The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies
somewhere in the middle.
Henry Makow is the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He
received his Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of
Toronto. http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1267-1.aspx |
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1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
| Quote: | Seen in passing.
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed.
These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called
"civilizations."
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing Arab
oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the
values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere.
The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are born
and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge
and support to her husband.
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice,
paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and everyone.
She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of
the time.
Sensi: |
I think men should wear a burka with side blinders that look
like wings. Perhaps some long underwear with knee socks
combat boots and gloves on their hands with a chain around
their neck obeying his bride till the day he dies.
And if he dare look at another woman he should be beaten
with a long steel pole and thrown in the dungeon with the
lions.
I would have never made the cut for a Muslim woman.
Thank God for bikinis and the willpower to look or not look.
| Quote: | In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As
this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand
patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her
before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her
charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit to
receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between
mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine
nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is based
on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression" and
that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused and
aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a wife
or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO: undermine
sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal
dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are not
supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant to
be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical pleasure,
not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian women
and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the US
would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong"
pants?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we
finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates: creating
and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach this
level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to
remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.
We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain lonely
and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state of
perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a
function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal. If
a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not likely
to find a permanent mate.
Her long-term personal fulfilment and happiness lies in making marriage and
family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched American
women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives
and represents a lethal threat to Islam.
I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it
represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and
family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.
The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies somewhere
in the middle.
Henry Makow is the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his
Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto.
http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1267-1.aspx
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"Sensi" <sensi4sight@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
Seen in passing.
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing
but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally
exposed.
These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called
"civilizations."
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing
Arab
oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of
their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of
the
values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic
sphere.
The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are
born
and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the
spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge
and support to her husband.
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked
in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice,
paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and
everyone.
She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all
of
the time.
Sensi:
I think men should wear a burka with side blinders that look like wings.
Perhaps some long underwear with knee socks combat boots and gloves on
their hands with a chain around their neck obeying his bride till the day
he dies.
And if he dare look at another woman he should be beaten with a long steel
pole and thrown in the dungeon with the lions.
I would have never made the cut for a Muslim woman.
Thank God for bikinis and the willpower to look or not look.
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Sensi, you're phenomenal!!!! It's those types of guys that want the women
to BEAR THE BURDEN of their sex drive!!! Yet, it's these SAME dumbos that
don't look at what they term as woman humilation is MALE-FUELED! It's some
of us guys (I'm not one of them) who want the easy sex. Women, with
difficult backgrounds and little choices will make the choice to answer that
"demand." It's the JOHNS who need to be hunted down! lol
There was a show on TV with a city police force doing JUST THAT! They would
follow the hookers and FILM THE MEN!!!! It absolutely stopped the
prostitution. Hunting the women down is STUPID, not to mention it fails to
see who really keeps that business going! Do you hunt down the crack addict
prostitutes or the nasty, adulterous men! duh
AND, you'd think the "religious" would get it! They expose themselves for
the sexist, homophobic, mentally bound individuals that they are!
| Quote: | In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal.
(As
this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with
appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be
loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to
demand
patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her
before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her
charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit
to
receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between
mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine
nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is
based
on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression"
and
that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused
and
aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a
wife
or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO:
undermine
sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal
dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are
not
supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant
to
be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical
pleasure,
not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian
women
and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the
US
would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong"
pants?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we
finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates:
creating
and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach
this
level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to
remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.
We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain
lonely
and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state
of
perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a
function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal.
If
a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not
likely
to find a permanent mate.
Her long-term personal fulfilment and happiness lies in making marriage
and
family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched
American
women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives
and represents a lethal threat to Islam.
I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it
represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and
family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.
The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies
somewhere
in the middle.
Henry Makow is the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his
Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto.
http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1267-1.aspx
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"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
<1stCenturyApostolic@Traditionalist.com> wrote in message
news:5aAqk.62397$8y1.39928@newsfe18.ams2...
| Quote: | Seen in passing.
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing
but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally exposed.
These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called
"civilizations."
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They most certainly do.
| Quote: |
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture.
|
So is the rule of law, and the basic personal freedoms those laws either
protect or destroy.
| Quote: | Apart from stealing Arab
oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of
their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
|
No one has "stolen" a drop of "Arab oil" (which, btw, others found for them,
drilled for them, and handed to them so that a few of them could be
obscenely rich while all others could effectively remain in the 9th
century).
And the clash is about exchanging a few other items besides just the burka
and the bikini. It's about exchanging legally mandated ignorance for a real
chance at education. It's about exchanging the notion that a man can commit
an "honor killing", for the notion that murder is murder. It's about
exchanging a society based on the religious value that says kill all your
enemies to one based on do good to your enemies, and, as much as is
possible, live in peace with *all* men. It's about exchanging a 9th century
society ruled by political tyrants when you're lucky, and religious leaders
who supposedly get their marching order direct from Allah, when you're not
so lucky, for a 21 society based around the inalienable rights of human
beings to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And let's not forget. It's about maintaining a sancturary in the world
where the millions of Muslims who can, flee from their own culture to take
advantage of others, who, given the choice of living in proverty in Iran, or
Iraq, or anywhere else in the Middle East where sharia law is the law of the
land to one extent or another, make the choice to live in poverty in France,
or America, or England, and do so in droves! These people are voting with
their feet and their lives.
| Quote: |
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of the
values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
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That would be fine if this "representation" were her choice, but the Mulsim
16 year old who was gang raped by several Muslim men and then stoned to
death for wearing jeans probably didn't feel as you do about this
"representation", and what happened to her was a lesson for every woman.
Makes is much easier for them to freely choose to wear the burka as a symbol
of their dedication to their family.
| Quote: |
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic sphere.
|
As does stoning woman who simply show their faces in public, or who are
caught clandestinely learning to read, or who drive a car. Nothing like a
mob killing to reinforce basic values, right?
| Quote: |
The Muslim woman's focus is her home...
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where very early in life she is subjected to sexual mutilation so that she
can never enjoy God's gift of sexual intercourse between a husband and wife,
and then often given to one of her father's friends or business associates
in her *pre-teens*, to be used by him in *any* way he sees fit.
| Quote: | the "nest" where her children are born
and reared.
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LOL! If they were *her* children, she would have something to say about
them, which, of course, she does not, not having anything to say about
anything in that culture. Her husband can *kill* on or them, even *kill*
her, and she simply has no recourse.
| Quote: | She is the "home" maker,
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This is what liberal nut jobs like this guy say when they mean "domestic
slave".
| Quote: | the taproot that sustains the spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge
and support to her husband.
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As the man said, he is certainly no expert on Muslim women. A Muslim woman
provides her husband with sex, children, and a servant to clean and cook for
him, and take care of his children's everyday needs. She does not sustain
the "spiritual life" of the family; she isn't even allowed to pray publicly
with her family, but must do so from a nearby balcony or from behind a glass
partition at the mosque! She can provide no "refuge", for she is utterly
powerless and without human rights in this 9th century society. A Hereford
cow, mooing in the living room, could as well be said to provide for the
family a "refuge" and sustain their spiritual life.
This man is a buffoon. He romanticizes a society that would punish him for
his education and the freedoms he enjoys, and is critical of the society
that is the only thing protecting him from this scourge in human history
that denies all human rights to women and children. The irony here is that
were this 9th century throwback to win this clash of cultures, liberal
thinkers like this loon would be the first to be beheaded!
| Quote: |
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked
in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice,
paradoxically, she is public property.
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But she is whatever she is BY HER OWN CHOICE! She has basic human rights,
and a culture that reveres and protects her rights to do with her life what
SHE wants to do. If she wants to display her body in public, have it judged
for "beauty" by a panel of strangers, and viewed on TV by millions, she has
that right. If she wants to never let anyone but her husband see her body,
she likewise has that right. But whatever she decides, she does it without
fear or coercion. She isn't being ruled by a thousand year tradition of do
it or die.
| Quote: | She belongs to no one and everyone.
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She belongs to herself, not no one, and not everyone.
| Quote: | She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all of
the time.
|
Yes, she is, but in this auction the worst that can happen is rejection; is
taking third in the contest, or not making the finals. In the Muslim world
when a woman doesn't measure up, she can be killed.
| Quote: |
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal. (As
this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with
appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
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Ye gods, this man is a moron for someone with a PhD! He not only doesn't
know anything about Muslim women; he doesn't seem to know much about
American women either!
There is no "cultural measure" of an American woman, and "success" in life
here is measured subjectively, BY THE WOMAN in question. Sure, women here
want to be attractive to the opposite sex. So do men. So do women the
world over. So do men the world over. So what?
This is typical liberal argumentation. Make a specific point about a
specific culture using a universal truth about all cultures.
| Quote: |
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be
loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to demand
patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her
before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her
charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit
to
receive her husband's seed.
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Again, the typical argument from the exception to the rule. This doesn't
describe the "average" American woman; not even close. It simply ignores
the norm in America to make its argument via the fringe; the vast minority
of American women. "Unfit to receive her husband's seed"? Are you kidding
me?
The vast majority of American married woman do just what this author says
Muslim women do for their families and husbands, except here it's THEIR
CHOICE; here it's not a choice between do it or die by stoning, or
beheading. Here, when you see her busily sustaining the spiritual needs of
her family, doing what she can to provide a refuge away from the world for
her husband, and nurturing and training up her children, there is a prima
facia reason to think she's doing all of these things because she WANTS to
do them; because she had a plethora of other choices presented to her as a
young woman, and she chose this one.
Our liberal, looney author is romanticizing the rat in the tunnel and
denigrating the rat in the maze. He sounds to me like he's make a great
little patriarch, don't you think?
Anyway, I can't read anymore of this tripe. This sort of ingrate propaganda
just turns my stomach!
I suggest "Dr." Makow go snag himself a nice Muslim teenager, suitably
mulitated, of course, and drag her kicking and screaming back to the Middle
East so he can stop all this carping, and start enjoying life as the 9th
century patriarch he so obviously longs to be.
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| Quote: | On Aug 19, 4:27 pm, "Chuck Stamford" <shell-stamf...@cox.net> wrote:
"1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"<1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote in message
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Seen in passing.
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing
nothing
but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally
exposed.
These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called
"civilizations."
They most certainly do.
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture.
So is the rule of law, and the basic personal freedoms those laws either
protect or destroy.
Apart from stealing Arab
oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of
their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
No one has "stolen" a drop of "Arab oil" (which, btw, others found for
them,
drilled for them, and handed to them so that a few of them could be
obscenely rich while all others could effectively remain in the 9th
century).
And the clash is about exchanging a few other items besides just the
burka
and the bikini. It's about exchanging legally mandated ignorance for a
real
chance at education. It's about exchanging the notion that a man can
commit
an "honor killing", for the notion that murder is murder. It's about
exchanging a society based on the religious value that says kill all your
enemies to one based on do good to your enemies, and, as much as is
possible, live in peace with *all* men. It's about exchanging a 9th
century
society ruled by political tyrants when you're lucky, and religious
leaders
who supposedly get their marching order direct from Allah, when you're
not
so lucky, for a 21 society based around the inalienable rights of human
beings to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And let's not forget. It's about maintaining a sancturary in the world
where the millions of Muslims who can, flee from their own culture to
take
advantage of others, who, given the choice of living in proverty in Iran,
or
Iraq, or anywhere else in the Middle East where sharia law is the law of
the
land to one extent or another, make the choice to live in poverty in
France,
or America, or England, and do so in droves! These people are voting
with
their feet and their lives.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of
the
values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
That would be fine if this "representation" were her choice, but the
Mulsim
16 year old who was gang raped by several Muslim men and then stoned to
death for wearing jeans probably didn't feel as you do about this
"representation", and what happened to her was a lesson for every woman.
Makes is much easier for them to freely choose to wear the burka as a
symbol
of their dedication to their family.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic
sphere.
As does stoning woman who simply show their faces in public, or who are
caught clandestinely learning to read, or who drive a car. Nothing like
a
mob killing to reinforce basic values, right?
The Muslim woman's focus is her home...
where very early in life she is subjected to sexual mutilation so that
she
can never enjoy God's gift of sexual intercourse between a husband and
wife,
and then often given to one of her father's friends or business
associates
in her *pre-teens*, to be used by him in *any* way he sees fit.
the "nest" where her children are born
and reared.
LOL! If they were *her* children, she would have something to say about
them, which, of course, she does not, not having anything to say about
anything in that culture. Her husband can *kill* on or them, even *kill*
her, and she simply has no recourse.
She is the "home" maker,
This is what liberal nut jobs like this guy say when they mean "domestic
slave".
the taproot that sustains the spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing
refuge
and support to her husband.
As the man said, he is certainly no expert on Muslim women. A Muslim
woman
provides her husband with sex, children, and a servant to clean and cook
for
him, and take care of his children's everyday needs. She does not
sustain
the "spiritual life" of the family; she isn't even allowed to pray
publicly
with her family, but must do so from a nearby balcony or from behind a
glass
partition at the mosque! She can provide no "refuge", for she is utterly
powerless and without human rights in this 9th century society. A
Hereford
cow, mooing in the living room, could as well be said to provide for the
family a "refuge" and sustain their spiritual life.
This man is a buffoon. He romanticizes a society that would punish him
for
his education and the freedoms he enjoys, and is critical of the society
that is the only thing protecting him from this scourge in human history
that denies all human rights to women and children. The irony here is
that
were this 9th century throwback to win this clash of cultures, liberal
thinkers like this loon would be the first to be beheaded!
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically
naked
in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In
practice,
paradoxically, she is public property.
But she is whatever she is BY HER OWN CHOICE! She has basic human
rights,
and a culture that reveres and protects her rights to do with her life
what
SHE wants to do. If she wants to display her body in public, have it
judged
for "beauty" by a panel of strangers, and viewed on TV by millions, she
has
that right. If she wants to never let anyone but her husband see her
body,
she likewise has that right. But whatever she decides, she does it
without
fear or coercion. She isn't being ruled by a thousand year tradition of
do
it or die.
She belongs to no one and everyone.
She belongs to herself, not no one, and not everyone.
She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all
of
the time.
Yes, she is, but in this auction the worst that can happen is rejection;
is
taking third in the contest, or not making the finals. In the Muslim
world
when a woman doesn't measure up, she can be killed.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal.
(As
this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with
appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
Ye gods, this man is a moron for someone with a PhD! He not only doesn't
know anything about Muslim women; he doesn't seem to know much about
American women either!
There is no "cultural measure" of an American woman, and "success" in
life
here is measured subjectively, BY THE WOMAN in question. Sure, women
here
want to be attractive to the opposite sex. So do men. So do women the
world over. So do men the world over. So what?
This is typical liberal argumentation. Make a specific point about a
specific culture using a universal truth about all cultures.
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be
loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to
demand
patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her
before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of
her
charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is
unfit
to
receive her husband's seed.
Again, the typical argument from the exception to the rule. This doesn't
describe the "average" American woman; not even close. It simply ignores
the norm in America to make its argument via the fringe; the vast
minority
of American women. "Unfit to receive her husband's seed"? Are you
kidding
me?
The vast majority of American married woman do just what this author says
Muslim women do for their families and husbands, except here it's THEIR
CHOICE; here it's not a choice between do it or die by stoning, or
beheading. Here, when you see her busily sustaining the spiritual needs
of
her family, doing what she can to provide a refuge away from the world
for
her husband, and nurturing and training up her children, there is a prima
facia reason to think she's doing all of these things because she WANTS
to
do them; because she had a plethora of other choices presented to her as
a
young woman, and she chose this one.
Our liberal, looney author is romanticizing the rat in the tunnel and
denigrating the rat in the maze. He sounds to me like he's make a great
little patriarch, don't you think?
Anyway, I can't read anymore of this tripe. This sort of ingrate
propaganda
just turns my stomach!
I suggest "Dr." Makow go snag himself a nice Muslim teenager, suitably
mulitated, of course, and drag her kicking and screaming back to the
Middle
East so he can stop all this carping, and start enjoying life as the 9th
century patriarch he so obviously longs to be.
Chuck Stamford
Basically I agree with you, however to refer to the guy as 'liberal'
is very strange. . In fact quite the contrary, the guy is ultra-
conservative hoping to turn the clock back centuries. Liberal and
liberal values equate liberty liberation all stemming from the same
root. *freedom*
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I suggest you look up "classical liberalism" on the Web, and you'll be
shocked to learn that the solid "conservative" I am today *was* the
"liberal" of 100 years ago. The classical liberal (now known as a
conservative, herein after referred to as "CL") was for maximal personal
freedom, maximal personal responsibility and accountability, small, weak
government, no taxes, minimum regulation, and free markets. The CL
recognizes that schools, hospitals, slaugherhouses, airlines, stockmarkets,
and banks are all *businesses* that are run by *businessmen* who must
provide the buyer of their goods and services with the best product at the
lowest price possible or someone else will, and there is NEVER, NEVER any
bailouts or tax incentives the taxpayer is forced to pay for those
busnessmen who either can't or won't compete successfully in the
marketplace. The CL doesn't look at monopolies as threats to the consumer
who must be protected by the government in a truly free market, because the
CL understands that having a monopoly in providing the buyer with a good or
service doesn't free that monopolistic business from the forces of a free
market. That monopoly will either provide the buyer with the best goods at
the lowest possible price, or someone else will, and then they either won't
be a monopoly anymore (and if they don't change they won't even be in
business anymore!), or they will act to drive their competition out of
business and the buyer will be the benefactor once again.
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I know there are people in the USA for whom liberal is a swear word
but even so there is absolutely nothing liberal about this guy.
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I believe there is. In the chest of every leftist liberal beats the heart
of a pure socialist who believes, despite all the data of history to the
contrary, that the best society is the one with the fewest personal
freedoms. They simply cannot let go of the notion they know best how any
and every society should progress and develop, and that any society that
isn't perfect is crap, is awful, and needs their brilliant social
experiments to realize its utopian potential. They want to direct markets,
rather than allow the consumer to do that. They want to control education,
rather than leave that to parents and teachers. They want to redistribute
wealth, from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
They want to remove all consequences from stupid life choices, and just
can't see that in trying to save 10 stupid people, they create ten thousand
more; people who would have been honest, productive members of society had
not government tempted them beyond their ability to resist by the lure of a
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"That Heretic" <michaelrjames@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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1stCenturyAposto...@Traditionalist.com> wrote:
Seen in passing.
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The Debauchery of American Womanhood: Bikini vs. Burka
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
On my wall, I have a picture of a Muslim woman shrouded in a burka.
Beside it is a picture of an American beauty contestant, wearing nothing
but
a bikini.
One woman is totally hidden from the public; the other is totally
exposed.
These two extremes say a great deal about the clash of so-called
"civilizations."
The role of woman is at the heart of any culture. Apart from stealing
Arab
oil, the impending war in the Middle East is about stripping Arabs of
their
religion and culture, exchanging the burka for a bikini.
I am not an expert on the condition of Muslim women and I love feminine
beauty too much to advocate the burka here. But I am defending some of
the
values that the burka represents for me.
For me, the burka represents a woman's consecration to her husband and
family. Only they see her.
It affirms the privacy, exclusivity and importance of the domestic
sphere.
The Muslim woman's focus is her home, the "nest" where her children are
born
and reared. She is the "home" maker, the taproot that sustains the
spiritual
life of the family, nurturing and training her children, providing refuge
and support to her husband.
In contrast, the bikinied American beauty queen struts practically naked
in
front of millions on TV. A feminist, she belongs to herself. In practice,
paradoxically, she is public property. She belongs to no one and
everyone.
She shops her body to the highest bidder. She is auctioning herself all
of
the time.
In America, the cultural measure of a woman's value is her sex appeal.
(As
this asset depreciates quickly, she is neurotically obsessed with
appearance
and plagued by weight problems.)
As an adolescent, her role model is Britney Spears, a singer whose act
approximates a strip tease. From Britney, she learns that she will be
loved
only if she gives sex. Thus, she learns to "hook up" rather than to
demand
patient courtship and true love. As a result, dozens of males know her
before her husband does. She loses her innocence, which is a part of her
charm. She becomes hardened and calculating. Unable to love, she is unfit
to
receive her husband's seed.
The feminine personality is founded on the emotional relationship between
mother and baby. It is based on nurturing and self-sacrifice. Masculine
nature is founded on the relationship between hunter and prey. It is
based
on aggression and reason.
Feminism teaches woman that feminine nature has resulted in "oppression"
and
that she should convert to male behavior instead. The result: a confused
and
aggressive woman with a large chip on her shoulder, unfit to become a
wife
or mother.
This, of course, is the goal of the social engineers at the NWO:
undermine
sexual identity and destroy the family, create social and personal
dysfunction, and reduce population. In the "brave new world," women are
not
supposed to be "nest" makers, or progenitors of the race. They are meant
to
be neutered autonomous creatures that indulge in sex for physical
pleasure,
not for love or procreation.
At his press conference on Sunday, Donald Rumsfeld said that Iranian
women
and youth were restive under the rule of the Mullahs. He implied that the
US
would soon liberate them. To Britney Spears? To low-rise "see-my-thong"
pants?
Parenthood is the pinnacle of human development. It is the stage when we
finally graduate from self-indulgence and become God's surrogates:
creating
and nurturing new life. The New World Order does not want us to reach
this
level of maturity. Pornography is the substitute for marriage. We are to
remain stunted: single, sex-starved and self-obsessed.
We are not meant to have a permanent "private" life. We are to remain
lonely
and isolated, dependent on consumer products for our identity, in a state
of
perpetual courtship.
This is especially destructive for woman. Her sexual attraction is a
function of her fertility. As fertility declines, so does her sex appeal.
If
a woman devotes her prime years to becoming "independent," she is not
likely
to find a permanent mate.
Her long-term personal fulfilment and happiness lies in making marriage
and
family her first priority.
Feminism is another cruel New World Order hoax that has debauched
American
women and despoiled Western civilization. It has ruined millions of lives
and represents a lethal threat to Islam.
I am not advocating the burka but rather some of the values that it
represents, specifically a woman's consecration to her future husband and
family, and the modesty and dignity this entails.
The burka and the bikini represent two extremes. The answer lies
somewhere
in the middle.
Henry Makow is the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his
Ph.D. in English Literature from the University of Toronto.
http://www.savethemales.ca/180902.html
url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1267-1.aspx
maybe Henry shoiuld check out some male dance bars in Montreal and
then write about how they belong to everyone and no one..bla bla bla.
You don't see male dancers in Kandahar bla bla bla. tsk tsk.
Excuse me my carriage is waiting.
Of course his being from the "Queen city", Toronto the Good, excuses
him :)
His expertise is in literature, the rest is his opinion of society.
Maybe he should take a little vacation to a muslim country. Enjoy the
scenery watching a stoning or the beheading of two Canadian students
in Saudi Depravia by people in their so very modest clothing.
Such wonderful social values these people have. Barf!!!
Then off to Pakistan and see how wonderfully women are treated by
men. Good thing they have burkas "cause they can hide their
disfigured faces, these women who have had acid thrown in their faces
by sicko husbands. Yeah.. such great values. Have another puff on
that pipe.
"the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"--well for
some people
Keep us up to date on more "I love islamic values" articles c Jeff
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I'm reminded of the complaints that some Muslims made on having their heads
shaved when captured as prisoners during conflict. This prompted a
newspaper headline, above a picture of dismembered hands: "We cut off hair,
THEY cut off HANDS."
Says it all, really.
Tim. |
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