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 Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: God's Side? |
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Isn't God on the side of the Baha'i Faith? When Lincoln was told God was on
the side of the Union Army he replied he himself was more concerned with
being on God's side.
Which is where I see Baha'is all confused. Our teaching methos are to show
the sprituality of the Baha'i Writings.
Who cares what are in the Baha'i Writings? Well, Baha'is. Anyone else? Well,
they're kinda cute if I have to say so, but unless we are inspired to change
our lives and the lives of those around us with those Writings, well, so
what?
We can proclaim their beauty, their inspiration, their spirituality, but do
they begin in words and end in words?
If not, if the Writings mean something in the daily lives of Baha'is, well,
then Baha'i will change the world. There can be no doubt.
If others see God's Will in something else and it changes their hearts and
inspires them to charity, love, wisdom and honor, then that is better than
the Baha'i Writings that don't.
So God's Will? Sure, let's all conform to God's Will, but first let's agree
on Who God is and what He wants, and why.
It is really simple. He wants us to be better people tomorrow than we are
today, to use our influence to inspire others to the same end. If we are
generous, thankful, worthy of trust, bright and friendly then, by whatever
standard God is measured, by whatever name we call the Universal Good, the
unanimously Admired, then we are doing God's Will, and we will receive His
promised reward for doing so.
If we do it for Him, because we know it is right and good and true, for no
other reason than that is what is honorable. wise, and inspirational, then
we can only benefit ourselves. But that is not the point, but it is the
point. Okay, you got me.
Anyway, it just makes sense. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: God's Side? |
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On Aug 12, 8:27 pm, "Kent Johnson" <k...@compx2.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It is really simple. He wants us to be better people tomorrow than we are
today, to use our influence to inspire others to the same end. If we are
generous, thankful, worthy of trust, bright and friendly then, by whatever
standard God is measured, by whatever name we call the Universal Good, the
unanimously Admired, then we are doing God's Will, and we will receive His
promised reward for doing so.
If we do it for Him, because we know it is right and good and true, for no
other reason than that is what is honorable. wise, and inspirational, then
we can only benefit ourselves. But that is not the point, but it is the
point. Okay, you got me.
Anyway, it just makes sense.
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I came across this post and couldn't disagree more. I think this line
of thinking is faulty at so many levels. Better, good, wise, are all
culturally/religous specific concepts. For example, Taliban, are well
meaning by their own standards, but not by ours. To them, putting
women in school is up there with prostitution.
As to whether Baha'is are practicing their faith or not. It matters
mainly to the society and the long term consequences that a society
will face as a result. I think a beautiful case in point is
Afghanistan. Take a good look at this country (If you can call it
that). This is a society that has fundamentally rejected many of the
Baha'i principles. It really doesn't matter how well meaning the
people there are, they are still in hell. And a to a greater extent
Baha'is and all who hinder them may be blamed for their state of
affairs. Ultimately, the consequences of our failures will come home
to roost. And anymore they have less to do with changing the world and
are more about retaining what is. |
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Enty Ell
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: God's Side? |
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On Aug 12, 8:27 pm, "Kent Johnson" <k...@compx2.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It is really simple. He wants us to be better people tomorrow than we are
today, . . .
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" . . . Ultimately, the consequences of our failures will come home
to roost. And anymore they have less to do with changing the world and
are more about retaining what is."
What does this mean please? |
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Kent Johnson
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: God's Side? |
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Hi "Enty Ell".
I did not answer before because this is not directed at me. I did not writ
the paragraph about "consequences and failures" and like you I do not know
what it means.
--Kent
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mikeran37@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 8:27 pm, "Kent Johnson" <k...@compx2.com> wrote:
It is really simple. He wants us to be better people tomorrow than we are
today, . . .
" . . . Ultimately, the consequences of our failures will come home
to roost. And anymore they have less to do with changing the world and
are more about retaining what is."
What does this mean please?
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diamondsouled
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: God's Side? |
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Howdy Kent,
Perhaps a better question would be: "Is God on any particular
religion's side?". or: "Is God not on Buddhism's side because
Buddhists disbelieve in God?"
Our knowledge of God, of even the fact of His/Her existence or non-
existence, is all based on human knowledge. There is no empirical
proof, or dis-proof, of God's existence so whose side God is on, or
not on, is a moot point.
It is easily proven though that our very existence is dependent on
this earth so perhaps it is more important today for humanity to show
that it is collectively on the earth's side than it is for humanity to
show that it is on the side of this God, or that Goddess- of Allah,
Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva, Kali, Garuda, Krishna, Whomever.
Cheers
Larry Rowe |
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Kent Johnson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: God's Side? |
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Hi Larry, I am getting more and more to understand where you are coming from
on many issues. On this one, however, I think you are throwing out the
Corned Beef along with the brine.
| Quote: | ... is all based on human knowledge.
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In strict terms we can dispute the idea that order exists at all. Is there
such a thing as nearness, distance, quantity, interaction? Or is everything
random and all we think we know just delusion? Is there such a thing as
being random? Are there any real relationships at all that humanity can
discern?
If we can admit that there is existence, and that existence is relational or
contingent, then we have a foundation upon which we can build a world view
that is consistent, empirically verifiable, and includes ideal or spiritual
principles that we can associate with the One True God.
What people do with that knowledge, that consistent reality, is usually
despicable, however. It is up to people like you and me who know the Truth
to reveal it to others. That is what God wants for us, Larry, if we only
knew it.
--Kent
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| Quote: | Howdy Kent,
Perhaps a better question would be: "Is God on any particular
religion's side?". or: "Is God not on Buddhism's side because
Buddhists disbelieve in God?"
Our knowledge of God, of even the fact of His/Her existence or non-
existence, is all based on human knowledge. There is no empirical
proof, or dis-proof, of God's existence so whose side God is on, or
not on, is a moot point.
It is easily proven though that our very existence is dependent on
this earth so perhaps it is more important today for humanity to show
that it is collectively on the earth's side than it is for humanity to
show that it is on the side of this God, or that Goddess- of Allah,
Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva, Kali, Garuda, Krishna, Whomever.
Cheers
Larry Rowe
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John Ludgate
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: Knowledge of God |
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Hello Larry,
I would like to respond to the following line from your email to Kent
on the "whose side is God on" topic which i have changed to "Knowledge
of God":
| Quote: | Larry Rowe wrote on Aug 24, 20008: Our knowledge of God, of even the
fact of His/Her existence or non-
existence, is all based on human knowledge.
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All men discussing the Writings have only limited human knowledge so in
that since I agree with you that we cannot know anything about our
Creator. Baha'u'llah and Jesus and Other Most Holy Ones in the past
were in a special position according to Bahais, they were
Manifestations of the Unknowable. "God testifieth that there is none
other God but Him" are some of the words revealed by Baha'u'llah. "I am
the Way and the Truth and the Light" is what Jesus said. After much
reading and soul searching I accepted that Baha'u'llah and Jesus were
who They claimed to be, Perfect Reflector of the Word and Spirit of the
Ancient of Days. Perhaps others read it differently from me but I trust
the Source Who tells us that He is "exalted above the description of
anyone on Earth or anyone in Heaven" and the He is unknowable. I don't
take these pieces of "knowledge" from the Writings as having a human
origin. I believe that the musing on this list don't really get
anywhere except where they manage to help some souls get closer to the
Writings so that some humans might have some hope to reflect the
revealed Word in their deeds.
kindest regards,
john
John Ludgate
ph: 684-699-2097, fax: 699-2047, cell: 733-3566
On Aug 24, 2008, at 8:45 AM, diamondsouled wrote:
| Quote: | Howdy Kent,
Perhaps a better question would be: "Is God on any particular
religion's side?". or: "Is God not on Buddhism's side because
Buddhists disbelieve in God?"
Our knowledge of God, of even the fact of His/Her existence or non-
existence, is all based on human knowledge. There is no empirical
proof, or dis-proof, of God's existence so whose side God is on, or
not on, is a moot point.
It is easily proven though that our very existence is dependent on
this earth so perhaps it is more important today for humanity to show
that it is collectively on the earth's side than it is for humanity to
show that it is on the side of this God, or that Goddess- of Allah,
Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva, Kali, Garuda, Krishna, Whomever.
Cheers
Larry Rowe
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Kent Johnson
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Knowledge of God |
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Hi John,
| Quote: | ...we cannot know anything about our Creator..
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I assume you mean that we cannot know very much, relatively speaking, about
our Creator.
| Quote: | ... some humans might have some hope to reflect the revealed Word in their
deeds.
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Which is the point. Thank you for not missing the most important point.
--Kent
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| Quote: | Hello Larry,
I would like to respond to the following line from your email to Kent on
the "whose side is God on" topic which i have changed to "Knowledge of
God":
Larry Rowe wrote on Aug 24, 20008: Our knowledge of God, of even the fact
of His/Her existence or non-
existence, is all based on human knowledge.
All men discussing the Writings have only limited human knowledge so in
that since I agree with you that we cannot know anything about our
Creator. Baha'u'llah and Jesus and Other Most Holy Ones in the past were
in a special position according to Bahais, they were Manifestations of the
Unknowable. "God testifieth that there is none other God but Him" are some
of the words revealed by Baha'u'llah. "I am the Way and the Truth and the
Light" is what Jesus said. After much reading and soul searching I
accepted that Baha'u'llah and Jesus were who They claimed to be, Perfect
Reflector of the Word and Spirit of the Ancient of Days. Perhaps others
read it differently from me but I trust the Source Who tells us that He is
"exalted above the description of anyone on Earth or anyone in Heaven" and
the He is unknowable. I don't take these pieces of "knowledge" from the
Writings as having a human origin. I believe that the musing on this list
don't really get anywhere except where they manage to help some souls get
closer to the Writings so that some humans might have some hope to reflect
the revealed Word in their deeds.
kindest regards,
john
John Ludgate
ph: 684-699-2097, fax: 699-2047, cell: 733-3566
On Aug 24, 2008, at 8:45 AM, diamondsouled wrote:
Howdy Kent,
Perhaps a better question would be: "Is God on any particular
religion's side?". or: "Is God not on Buddhism's side because
Buddhists disbelieve in God?"
Our knowledge of God, of even the fact of His/Her existence or non-
existence, is all based on human knowledge. There is no empirical
proof, or dis-proof, of God's existence so whose side God is on, or
not on, is a moot point.
It is easily proven though that our very existence is dependent on
this earth so perhaps it is more important today for humanity to show
that it is collectively on the earth's side than it is for humanity to
show that it is on the side of this God, or that Goddess- of Allah,
Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva, Kali, Garuda, Krishna, Whomever.
Cheers
Larry Rowe
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: God's Side? |
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On Aug 21, 7:42 am, "Enty Ell" <michael.alco...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
| Quote: | mikera...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 8:27 pm, "Kent Johnson" <k...@compx2.com> wrote:
It is really simple. He wants us to be better people tomorrow than we ar
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today, . . .
" . . . Ultimately, the consequences of our failures will come home
to roost. And anymore they have less to do with changing the world and
are more about retaining what is."
What does this mean please?
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let's put it this way. Assuming you live in the US and like things the
way they are, we know we are still facing change just to keep things
as is. The environment, for example, has been atop the latest
concerns, and our science tells us that it is without question
changing. But in order to regulate the environment, you need to factor
in at least China and India and then some form of international quasi
world government to enforce the necessary regulations.
There are other emergent world issues apart from the environment. The
day may soon come for a need for international monetary banking
regulations to stabilize an emergent world economy. Ironically for the
very same reasons that the original thirteen states found the need for
a unifed federal banking system.
Terrorism is certainly an argument in favor of a multinational
police force that would be capable of pursuing such elements in their
otherwise safe havens.
We are at a pivotal point in history, and the changes that are
taking place now will impact our society at multiple levels and like
it or not, we need to have in play the Baha'i principles that will at
least keep things as they are.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Re: God's Side? |
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Hi Mike,
This is my second try to to get a message to you re your
comment: "the consequences of our failures will come home to roost"
and the
clarification of your meaning quoted below.
According to my reading of Baha'i teachings it is up to us to dwell on
the
positive, to lend our support to what is likely to help. Of course we
need
to be aware of what might likely fail, and its consequences, but the
point
is to help.
It is my abiding contention that God does not care what religion you
belong
to, but His teachings are universal and best expressed recently in the
Teachings of the Baha'i Faith, and it's Writings (including
Promulgation of
World Peace, Paris Talks, and 'Abdul-Baha In London).
I know they are best expressed in the Baha'i Writings because they are
clear, concise, reasonable, consistent, and include many passages that
were
intended to be translated and sent the world around to clarify God's
Purpose
for humanity. But whether or not a person accepts the Baha'i Faith,
or any
faith, religion, creed or philosophy, it is that person's deeds and
intentions over a lifetime that will attract the confirmations God has
promised, both here and hereafter.
Important to God's great Purpose are not the words we speak or the
groups to
which we have enrolled.
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The Answer
A Rose, in tatters on the garden path, Cried out to God and murmured
'gainst
His Wrath, Because a sudden wind at twilight's hush Had snapped her
stem
alone of all the bush. And God, Who hears both sun-dried dust and sun,
Had
pity, whispering to that luckless one, "Sister, in that thou sayest We
did
not well -- What voices heardst thou when thy petals fell?" And the
Rose
answered, "In that evil hour A voice said, `Father, wherefore falls
the
flower? For lo, the very gossamers are still.' And a voice answered,
`Son,
by Allah's will!'" Then softly as a rain-mist on the sward, Came to
the Rose
the Answer of the Lord: "Sister, before We smote the Dark in twain,
Ere yet
the stars saw one another plain, Time, Tide, and Space, We bound unto
the
task That thou shouldst fall, and such an one should ask." Whereat the
withered flower, all content, Died as they die whose days are
innocent;
While he who questioned why the flower fell Caught hold of God and
saved his
soul from Hell.
Kipling
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Inspiration is part of the answer, the rest is deeds and works.
Wherever we
get the
inspiration, God, society, poetry, philosophy, life... It is all God.
No sense worrying about our inaction coming home to roost. If we
don't do
it someone else will, and God's Purpose is not lost.
Only we are.
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Again, I couldn't disagree more.
Your position is tantamount to stating that since alot of kids will
figure out basic math on their own being driven by financial needs, we
shouldn't care whether or not they are taught it in school. Then you
sit back and wonder why our economy is going south?
Not all Baha'is are perfect, but on a percentage basis, a few do
arise from any given population to become good Baha'is and the rest
tend to follow. Given this understanding, it should be appreciated
that while many people or churches will come to accept Baha'i
principles on their own, without ever having heard of the Baha'i
faith, it still represents a shortage in the need for society at
large. These inspired individuals or groups are not serving humanity's
needs in a sufficiently organized manner.
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Who could argue that God's purpose will transpire regardless, that's
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Douglas McAdam
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Dear friend-
This quote has always come to mind when I read about how anyone can
accept principles but they also need more.
"The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition
of Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His
laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause
and the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained
unto all good; and whoso is deprived thereof hath gone astray, though
he be the author of every righteous deed. It behoveth every one who
reacheth this most sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory,
to observe every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world.
These twin duties are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the
other." (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 16)
regards,
doug
On Sep 16, 2008, at 9:06 AM, mikeran37@yahoo.com wrote:
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Again, I couldn't disagree more.
Your position is tantamount to stating that since alot of kids will
figure out basic math on their own being driven by financial needs, we
shouldn't care whether or not they are taught it in school. Then you
sit back and wonder why our economy is going south?
Not all Baha'is are perfect, but on a percentage basis, a few do
arise from any given population to become good Baha'is and the rest
tend to follow. Given this understanding, it should be appreciated
that while many people or churches will come to accept Baha'i
principles on their own, without ever having heard of the Baha'i
faith, it still represents a shortage in the need for society at
large. These inspired individuals or groups are not serving humanity's
needs in a sufficiently organized manner.
Important to God's great Purpose are not the words we speak or >the
groups to which we have enrolled.
Who could argue that God's purpose will transpire regardless, that's
not the point. It's about how much we will suffer and lose along the
way. And to that end, we should worry.
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Good morning
A statement re-iterated in many places in the Sacred Words of the Bab
and of Baha'u'llah. As an example :
"The supreme cause for creating the world and all that is therein is for
man to know God. In this Day whosoever is guided by the fragrance of the
raiment of His mercy to gain admittance into the pristine Abode, which
is the station of recognizing the Source of divine commandments and the
Dayspring of His Revelation, hath everlastingly attained unto all good.
Having reached this lofty station a twofold obligation resteth upon
every soul. One is to be steadfast in the Cause with such steadfastness
that were all the peoples of the world to attempt to prevent him from
turning to the Source of Revelation, they would be powerless to do so.
The other is observance of the divine ordinances which have streamed
forth from the wellspring of His heavenly-propelled Pen. For man's
knowledge of God cannot develop fully and adequately save by observing
whatsoever hath been ordained by Him and is set forth in His heavenly
Book." (Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 268)
With warm greetings
Romane
Douglas McAdam wrote:
| Quote: | Dear friend-
This quote has always come to mind when I read about how anyone can
accept principles but they also need more.
"The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of
Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His laws,
Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and the
world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all
good; and whoso is deprived thereof hath gone astray, though he be the
author of every righteous deed. It behoveth every one who reacheth this
most sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory, to observe
every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world. These twin duties
are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the other."
(Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 16)
regards,
doug
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Dear Romane-
I'm wondering how this is to be applied. For example if a person is
earnestly seeks the Truth and finds the object of his longing in
accepting Jesus or Muhammad say and then strives to be steadfast in
obedience has he been obedient to this command?
My belief is that the Bab, Baha'u'llah, or the Master, when using the
terms such as "Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation", or
"Godhead", or the "Desire of the World" and others means Baha'u'llah,
the Glory of God. Afterall the Baha'i Writings inform us that the
Prophets or Manifestations are One but appear to us in a different
human body from time to time and bring us new laws to live by in order
to advance civilization.
My understanding is that if a person is a believer in God and accept
His Manifestation and then steadfastly strives to obey His command
then that soul will more readily recognize the Return when the
Manifestation reappears to bring us new knowledge.
However I seem to recall something, I think by the Hand of the Cause,
saying that many Babis did not come forward because of their
attachment to the love of the Bab.
regards,
doug
On Sep 16, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Romane wrote:
| Quote: | Good morning
A statement re-iterated in many places in the Sacred Words of the
Bab and of Baha'u'llah. As an example :
"The supreme cause for creating the world and all that is therein is
for man to know God. In this Day whosoever is guided by the
fragrance of the raiment of His mercy to gain admittance into the
pristine Abode, which is the station of recognizing the Source of
divine commandments and the Dayspring of His Revelation, hath
everlastingly attained unto all good. Having reached this lofty
station a twofold obligation resteth upon every soul. One is to be
steadfast in the Cause with such steadfastness that were all the
peoples of the world to attempt to prevent him from turning to the
Source of Revelation, they would be powerless to do so. The other is
observance of the divine ordinances which have streamed forth from
the wellspring of His heavenly-propelled Pen. For man's knowledge of
God cannot develop fully and adequately save by observing whatsoever
hath been ordained by Him and is set forth in His heavenly
Book." (Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 268)
With warm greetings
Romane
Douglas McAdam wrote:
Dear friend-
This quote has always come to mind when I read about how anyone can
accept principles but they also need more.
"The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the
recognition of Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the
Fountain of His laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the
Kingdom of His Cause and the world of creation. Whoso achieveth
this duty hath attained unto all good; and whoso is deprived
thereof hath gone astray, though he be the author of every
righteous deed. It behoveth every one who reacheth this most
sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory, to observe
every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world. These twin
duties are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the
other." (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 16)
regards,
doug
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: Re: God's Side? |
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Hi Mike,
You: "Again, I couldn't disagree more."
So I went back to look and see what you meant. And I was not very
successful.
Me: "According to my reading of Baha'i teachings it is up to us to
dwell on
the positive, to lend our support to what is likely to help"
Surely that is not what you disagree about.
So it must be: "God does not care what religion you belong to, but
His
teachings are universal and best expressed recently in the
Teachings of the Baha'i Faith" and "Important to God's great Purpose
are not
the words we speak or the groups to which we have enrolled." and
"Wherever we get the inspiration,
God, society, poetry, philosophy, life... It is all God."
You: "Your position is tantamount to stating that since alot of kids
will
figure out basic math on their own being driven by financial needs,
we
shouldn't care whether or not they are taught it in school. Then you
sit
back and wonder why our economy is going south?"
Maybe my position is, in your terms, that those who figure out basic
math on
their own and take care of business are gods compared to those with
advanced
degrees who go bankrupt or are otherwise a burden on others. If that
is what you are
talking about, I think those who arise to math skills with or without
what
you consider proper help are exactly the same.
Or perhaps you are pointing out the fact that greed is the cause of
our
present financial woes, whether it is Wall Street greed (houses
always
increase in value, so invest in realestate) or house flipping
neighbors who
bankrupt because their basic math to sell investment properties for
five
times what they paid for them turned out to be faulty. If that is
your
point, then the only way these greedy people will learn basic math
(ie: that
greed is its own punishment) is by the example of those of us who
buckle
down to rebuild the neighborhoods, provide housing choices at fair
prices
regardless how much math the tenants have studied. That kind of
success can
only be demonstrated over years and decades.
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needs in a sufficiently organized manner.
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Has it been your experience that Baha'is are well organized?
--Kent
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Again, I couldn't disagree more.
Your position is tantamount to stating that since alot of kids will
figure out basic math on their own being driven by financial needs, we
shouldn't care whether or not they are taught it in school. Then you
sit back and wonder why our economy is going south?
Not all Baha'is are perfect, but on a percentage basis, a few do
arise from any given population to become good Baha'is and the rest
tend to follow. Given this understanding, it should be appreciated
that while many people or churches will come to accept Baha'i
principles on their own, without ever having heard of the Baha'i
faith, it still represents a shortage in the need for society at
large. These inspired individuals or groups are not serving humanity's
needs in a sufficiently organized manner.
Important to God's great Purpose are not the words we speak or >the groups
to which we have enrolled.
Who could argue that God's purpose will transpire regardless, that's
not the point. It's about how much we will suffer and lose along the
way. And to that end, we should worry. |
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