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 Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:59:12 -0400, "Green Eddie" <down@it.com> wrote:
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"Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Tang Huyen <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Two posters, both Zennies, Toshu (John Neatrour, President of the
Association of all Buddhist Organizations in the greater Chicago
area, trained and ordained in ancient Soto Zen monasteries of
Japan) and Ned Ludd, brought up my monastic departure of a quarter
of century ago to attempt to discredit me. I challenged them to
bring up more of the same.
Tang, nobody really cares what went wrong in your monastery
a quarter century ago. Whatever it was, it probably did you
good.
When you go on one of your endless, futile, disruptive jihads
against Tibetan Buddhism, anyone with a brain naturally wonders
about the real nature of your complaint.
I have strong feelings about all organizations, including
religions, corporations, political parties, armies, and will
occasionally rant about one or more of them. But the single-
minded, relentless, frothing, mad-dog attacks you make on
Tibetan Buddhism makes one wonder what the engine of such a
disorder might really be.
Ned
Religous obsessive compulsive disorder fueled by an inordinate need to
fulfill spiritual security and power addictions.
that cant be it cuz the vajrayanna is so peerfectly suited for those |
ooo
accordin to macheavelli that would mean thats you
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karma nygou
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:59:43 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
<mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
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"Ned Ludd" <nedludd@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Tang Huyen <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Two posters, both Zennies, Toshu (John Neatrour, President of the
Association of all Buddhist Organizations in the greater Chicago
area, trained and ordained in ancient Soto Zen monasteries of
Japan) and Ned Ludd, brought up my monastic departure of a quarter
of century ago to attempt to discredit me. I challenged them to
bring up more of the same.
Tang, nobody really cares what went wrong in your monastery
a quarter century ago. Whatever it was, it probably did you
good.
When you go on one of your endless, futile, disruptive jihads
against Tibetan Buddhism, anyone with a brain naturally wonders
about the real nature of your complaint.
I have strong feelings about all organizations, including
religions, corporations, political parties, armies, and will
occasionally rant about one or more of them. But the single-
minded, relentless, frothing, mad-dog attacks you make on
Tibetan Buddhism makes one wonder what the engine of such a
disorder might really be.
Ned
Religous obsessive compulsive disorder fueled by an inordinate need to
fulfill spiritual security and power addictions.
You have a way with words, Green Eddie 
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which shows the prince cant be applied dogmatically |
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Evelyn Ruut
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"karma nygou" <ky@uho.con> wrote in message
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Looks like dar is back again.
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Evelyn
"Be wise. Treat yourself, your mind, sympathetically, with
loving kindness. If you are gentle with yourself, you will
become gentle with others." -- Lama Thubten Yeshe
(To reply to me personally, remove sox)
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karma nygou
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:47:35 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
<mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
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"karma nygou" <ky@uho.con> wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:52:09 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut"
mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
"karma nygou" <ky@uho.con> wrote in message
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which shows the prince cant be applied dogmatically
Looks like dar is back again.
wow simply asstunding
how much do you charge for your readings
For you.... cheap. Very cheap.
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blush
shucks
i bet u say that to all the chumps
fuck i did it again
tryin to walk
while chewing gum
fuck who wuda thot
they'd figure out
this is dancing queen
fuck i did it again
they're catching on
all of my songs
ar really abba
fuck i did it again
tryin to walk
while chewing gum
fuck i did it again
tryin to walk
and chew gum
fuck i'll just change my name
how bout tina
tina agulara
fuck it did work before
maybe no can tell
i'm brittney spears
fuck i did it again
tryin to walk
while chewing gum
fuck i did it again
tryin to walk
and chew gum
fuck i did it again |
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Raan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 1:12 am Post subject: Re: The Real Thing (was Re: Materialismus und Buddhismus?) |
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Too much attention on the finger, not what it indicates.
--
*ˇ.¸_¸.ˇ'¨¨)
(_¸.ˇ' Raan
"BWZ" <bwz@fake.email.com> wrote in message
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Sean
"Raan" <raan@one.org> wrote in message
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One finger!
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"BWZ" <bwz@fake.com> wrote in message
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hehehe - Honestly Raan, here I am trying to look serious for a change!
Sean
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I'm enlightened and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.
"Raan" <raan@one.org> wrote in message
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Hey!
Do you mean the 4 Jhanic stages?
Or the 5 Jhanic stages?
How many fingers?
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(_¸.ˇ' Raan
"BWZ" <bwz@fake.com> wrote in message
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What a load of bullshit. You're describing a simple jhanic state.
Try brushing up on the "jhanic stages" - you'll find them in
Buddhist
texts.
Sean
--
I'm enlightened and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.
"Green Eddie" <down@it.com> wrote in message
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I was referring to your awareness using itself as a mirror , for
you
can
do
no mirroring without pure awareness. Once awareness gets ahold
of
itself,
so
to speak, the whole 'shebhang' comes to fruition. Allow your
beingness
to
fold back into itself. Let your awareness get to know itself.
Patanjali
called it 'sinking'. One sinks into ones' true nature so deeply
that
one
is
nothing but pure being and pure awareness.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 3:09 am Post subject: Re: The unreal thing (was Re: The Real Thing) |
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Get enlightened and I'll be happy.
Sean
"Robert J Bullock" <robert@rjbullock.com> wrote in message
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enlightenment.
Sorry about that, dude. What can I say to cheer you up?
--
R.J. Bullock
Binghamton, NY
"An intellectual says something simple in a difficult way;
an artist says something difficult in a simple way."
- Charles Bukowski
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BWZ
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 3:11 am Post subject: Re: The Real Thing (was Re: Materialismus und Buddhismus?) |
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You worry to much Raan. One way or the other, I'm still flicking the bird.
Sean
"Raan" <raan@one.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Too much attention on the finger, not what it indicates.
--
*ˇ.¸_¸.ˇ'¨¨)
(_¸.ˇ' Raan
"BWZ" <bwz@fake.email.com> wrote in message
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Right back at ya.
Sean
"Raan" <raan@one.org> wrote in message
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One finger!
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"BWZ" <bwz@fake.com> wrote in message
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hehehe - Honestly Raan, here I am trying to look serious for a
change!
Sean
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I'm enlightened and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.
"Raan" <raan@one.org> wrote in message
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Hey!
Do you mean the 4 Jhanic stages?
Or the 5 Jhanic stages?
How many fingers?
--
*ˇ.¸_¸.ˇ'¨¨)
(_¸.ˇ' Raan
"BWZ" <bwz@fake.com> wrote in message
news:3ef30b5f$0$16255$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
What a load of bullshit. You're describing a simple jhanic
state.
Try brushing up on the "jhanic stages" - you'll find them in
Buddhist
texts.
Sean
--
I'm enlightened and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.
"Green Eddie" <down@it.com> wrote in message
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I was referring to your awareness using itself as a mirror ,
for
you
can
do
no mirroring without pure awareness. Once awareness gets ahold
of
itself,
so
to speak, the whole 'shebhang' comes to fruition. Allow your
beingness
to
fold back into itself. Let your awareness get to know itself.
Patanjali
called it 'sinking'. One sinks into ones' true nature so
deeply
that
one
is
nothing but pure being and pure awareness.
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George W. Cherry
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:02 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"Ch'an Fu" <chanfu@removeyoursandals.metta.lk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "George W. Cherry" wrote:
"Ch'an Fu" <chanfu@removeyoursandals.metta.lk> wrote in message
Well, I'm sure that they all dream about you, one way or the other.
It seems that your boss acted irresponsibly and you might have
been more careful. But since the image was once public, and you didn't
protest, I don't know if there's much that can be done about its
distribution at this point.
I think you oughta get legal advice on this important subject.
However, the ethics of sending it (and who knows what other personal
information about you) to people via unsolicited email are despicable
in the extreme - tactics that appear to have continued "for a LONG
time".
Unless Jen or others identify the distributor as Evelyn, the
evidence (of her 'campaign') is still only circumstantial.
Ananda also received the picture - perhaps (s)he will reveal where it
came from and the circumstances under which (s)he received it.
Whether one of the recipients will have the integrity to expose
the source is the next question.
Wow! This is serious, isn't it!
To me, George, most matters of ethics are
'serious' since they involve trust as well as
integrity.
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I agree.
| Quote: | I'm sure that by now, everyone has some
suspicions in the case of the threats to Tang a
while back that actually involved his employer.
The entire purpose of the exercise was to harm him
for his criticism of the Tibetan religion. As you
know, Evelyn also believ(s/ed) that Tang was
'stalking' her.
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Since Evelyn is a sincere, practicing Buddhist, who
has vowed to follow the Noble Eightfold Way,
she has committed herself to right speech and will
not lie. So let's just ask her.
Evelyn, did you (or at your urging someone else)
contact Tang Huyen's Employer to complain about
his words or actions?
| Quote: | The case remains unsolved for lack of
substantial evidence (the actual email
to his employer or someone producing
another subversive email). But the various bits
of circumstantial evidence are available and
have been posted here before.
Though slow, the game is still in progress,
and though not obvious, current.
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It would be best to move on. Since Tang still
works at B.U., perhaps the greatest harm
has been to the atmosphere of these news-
groups. I for one take the vow that I will
always confine my disagreements strictly to
my posts to the newsgroups. (That has al-
so been my entire past behavior.)
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George W. Cherry
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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"George W. Cherry" <GWCherryHatesGreenEggsAndSpam@alum.mit.edu> wrote in
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"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
Cupcake, you are kidding yourself. I got it from the BU site long
ago,
and
his name was right there with the photo. It said Tang Huyen. You
trying
to tell me that his own boss put a fake photo up there with his
name?
It
stayed there for a LONG time! Don't be such a twerp. It's Tang.
Odd.
Just last evening, less than twelve hours ago, you said in this very
same
thread:
I happen to have a photo of Tang, sent to me by one of his admirers
some
time ago. Anyone wants a copy I will be thrilled to send it along.
So, did you get it from the BU web site, *or* did somebody send it to
you?
If
the latter, who was it?
Tang Huyen
Ah Ha! How, Evelyn, do you explain your
switch in the story of where and how you got the photo?
George, you just aren't reading all the posts.
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I must admit that reading this thread has not
been a pressing issue for me, and I already
regret getting involved at all.
| Quote: | I have answered this about four times today already.
A person sent me a link. I clicked on the link and it took me to his
photo,
which I then saved.
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It's none of my business, but why did you
save it? You weren't going to do something
shamanistic like stick pins in it to inflict head-
aches, were you?
| Quote: | Evelyn
"Be wise. Treat yourself, your mind, sympathetically, with
loving kindness. If you are gentle with yourself, you will
become gentle with others." -- Lama Thubten Yeshe
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George W. Cherry
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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"George W. Cherry" <GWCherryHatesGreenEggsAndSpam@alum.mit.edu> wrote in
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Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important)
From: Ch'an Fu <chanfu@removeyoursandals.metta.lk
I'm Ch'anfused...are both of you sending the
same picture? Did you send it to Jen, Ev?
Or did you both get it that long ago from
the BU site?
that's right -- that photo is a complete fake, that
Evilyn cooked up; it's *not* Tang, but, it iz more
ongoing vajra lies and deceit!
Cupcake, you are kidding yourself. I got it from the BU site long
ago,
and
his name was right there with the photo. It said Tang Huyen. You
trying
to tell me that his own boss put a fake photo up there with his name?
It
stayed there for a LONG time! Don't be such a twerp. It's Tang.
--
Evelyn
"Be wise. Treat yourself, your mind, sympathetically, with
loving kindness. If you are gentle with yourself, you will
become gentle with others." -- Lama Thubten Yeshe
(To reply to me personally, remove sox)
Why in the world did you go to the trouble
of chasing down a photo of him?
George
George you aren't following.
Someone sent me a link which I clicked on and VOILA! there was Tang's
photo
with his name on the website of BU. I didn't go chasing his photo down.
It was sent to me.
--
Evelyn
"Be wise. Treat yourself, your mind, sympathetically, with
loving kindness. If you are gentle with yourself, you will
become gentle with others." -- Lama Thubten Yeshe
(To reply to me personally, remove sox)
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Ch'an Fu
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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"George W. Cherry" wrote:
| Quote: | "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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"George W. Cherry" <GWCherryHatesGreenEggsAndSpam@alum.mit.edu> wrote in
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"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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"cupcake" <t@r.slrup> wrote in message
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Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important)
From: Ch'an Fu <chanfu@removeyoursandals.metta.lk
I'm Ch'anfused...are both of you sending the
same picture? Did you send it to Jen, Ev?
Or did you both get it that long ago from
the BU site?
that's right -- that photo is a complete fake, that
Evilyn cooked up; it's *not* Tang, but, it iz more
ongoing vajra lies and deceit!
Cupcake, you are kidding yourself. I got it from the BU site long
ago,
and
his name was right there with the photo. It said Tang Huyen. You
trying
to tell me that his own boss put a fake photo up there with his name?
It
stayed there for a LONG time! Don't be such a twerp. It's Tang.
--
Evelyn
"Be wise. Treat yourself, your mind, sympathetically, with
loving kindness. If you are gentle with yourself, you will
become gentle with others." -- Lama Thubten Yeshe
(To reply to me personally, remove sox)
Why in the world did you go to the trouble
of chasing down a photo of him?
George
George you aren't following.
Someone sent me a link which I clicked on and VOILA! there was Tang's
photo
with his name on the website of BU. I didn't go chasing his photo down.
It was sent to me.
--
Evelyn
"Be wise. Treat yourself, your mind, sympathetically, with
loving kindness. If you are gentle with yourself, you will
become gentle with others." -- Lama Thubten Yeshe
(To reply to me personally, remove sox)
Next question: why did you save it?
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"George W. Cherry" wrote:
| Quote: | "Ch'an Fu" <chanfu@removeyoursandals.metta.lk> wrote in message
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"George W. Cherry" wrote:
"Ch'an Fu" <chanfu@removeyoursandals.metta.lk> wrote in message
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Evelyn Ruut wrote:
As for unsolicited emails, Ch'an Fu is the MASTER of such.
Everyone here knows that, most have received your unsolicited
emails.
ROFL!!!
As far as I can remember the only email I've
ever received from members of these newsgroups
was from Ch'an Fu and Evelyn Ruut.
George W. Cherry
And if I recall, mine concerned publication/
sponsorship of Tang's manuscript by MIT.
It was a shameless sales pitch. :)
I wish that I could have helped. When Tang
publishes his work perhaps the book editor
can get a photo of Tang from Evelyn for the
book jacket.
Isn't a photograph of someone a form and
therefore an aggregate? Shouldn't a well-
educated Buddhist shun the taking of pho-
tographs, the copying of photographs, and
the dissemination of photographs? Why is
Evelyn Ruut, a grooved-in Tibetan Buddhist,
clinging to an aggregate of form?
Notice that Tang evinces the right attitude
toward his form: he is passing indifferent to
the taking of his photograph. He is dispas-
sionate toward a transient image of his form,
to this mere aggregate.
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Well, the hair kinda hides the horns if the
baseball cap's not on - the glowing devil-eyes
are looking at the screen,
and the fangs don't show up, 'cause he isn't
smiling at the camera...
| Quote: | There are no photographs of me on my web-
site and no biography.
http://sdm.book.home.attbi.com/
George
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ah, but there's a web site and
a link to it, isn't there.. ;)
the OO stuff was so funny to me -
categorical thought always is.
you mebbe can't imagine a buddhist
approach to programming (oops!
"software engineering"), but I've
had so much fun with it and some
of my systems are still going -
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Lawrence Foard
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In article <3ef7bcfd_1@news.iglou.com>, LongDang <LongDang1@hotmail.com> wrote:
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AnandaRosAnandaDanda...Isn't The Man Who Chooses The Bad...In A
Way...Better Than The Man Who Has The Good...Forced Upon Him...?
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They seem about equal to me 
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jesson
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Invasive tactics (was Re: The important) |
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Green Eddie wrote:
"Tang Huyen" <tang_huyen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Green Eddie wrote:
Tangs' methods and madness are more akin to scientology than you
might
suspect. For a good overview of how scientology manipulates ( like
Tangs'
octopus speech ) check out alt.self-improve and read some of the
ramblings
of Barbara Schwartz (sp). Tang could teach the scientologists a
thing
or
two about power addictions.
Well, that's sweet of you, Jen, though I doubt its factuality.
My Octopus speech has grabbed your attention, hasn't it? Have my
tentacles
taken
hold of you all over, ma chčre?
Tang Huyen
Sorry Tang, I've seen your picture, and if there were any blind, deaf
and
dumb women out there who might take up with you, I guess I would have
to
add
'ignorant' to that description too.
Out of curiosity, Jen,
How could you possibly
have seen Tang's picture?
Or was that just a metaphor?
I happen to have a photo of Tang, sent to me by one of his admirers some
time ago. Anyone wants a copy I will be thrilled to send it along.
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thanks evelyn. 2 very nice pictures.
jan
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Evelyn
"Be wise. Treat yourself, your mind, sympathetically, with
loving kindness. If you are gentle with yourself, you will
become gentle with others." -- Lama Thubten Yeshe
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Pema wrote:
| Quote: | "Bill Cunningham" <some@bogus.net> wrote in message news:<3ef60ad7_8@corp.newsgroups.com>...
I know Buddhism, at least on the outside, condemns astrology.
who told you that? not so, very much into astro...
But it can be
a good way of finding out about past karma and so your current karma, which
really matters, and maybe where you're heading.
a chart is all karma, I do astrology, tad does as well. do you? I am
not jiggy with the tibetan system, I have seen it, but have no study
time in on it.
cancer, gem moon sag asc....
best!
Pema
birthday bill?
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buddhism decries all forms of fortune-telling,
astrology, magic, etc., etc. - not just on the
"outside". however, the tibetan religion adopts
those and churns them up with 'buddhism'
into a delicious parfait of shamanistic fantasia
that's most tasty to those who thrive on the
froth of delusion and illusion, having an
insatiable appetite for self-hypnosis. |
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